Ranger as a Nuker and Tanker - Guild Wars Forums

ridz16 · Mar 19, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

To my knowledge, an experienced warrior can "tank" well and an experienced ele profession can "nuke" very well. It's a nickname given to them.

So.. how can ranger be either one of it?

Kind of like a monk can do 55hp and necro can do MM...

I mean c'mon anybody can nuke, take ele as second prof and what not, but it is given nickname to someone who's primary prof's is ele and tank who's primary prof is warrior who are best at it.

there's this ranger who thinks he can do both I was like, WHAT? lol... and that ranger wasnt joking, cause the ranger was sort of serious.. lol.

So I'm asking you guys here at guru, what you guys think. Because I wanna confirm my knowledge, if its right lols...

Yanman.be · Mar 19, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Rangers can use stances. They can use [skill]Barrage[/skill] for a nice AoE effect.

Oh wait..you mean what's his special ability? Traps,interruption, condition spreading...

savage vapor 33 · Mar 19, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Well rangers aren't the nuking type. Mainly cuz Expertise doesnt affect spells. I guess maybe a ranger could tank into an All ele mob. But thats rarely gonna happen. Yanman.be pretty much states it.

Traps, Conditions, and interrupts are best thing for a ranger.

ridz16 · Mar 19, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

Well rangers aren't the nuking type. Mainly cuz Expertise doesnt affect spells.

lols, thanks you.

Wacky · Mar 19, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

"echo mending" is an in-joke, that ranger was joking.

That being said, r/w can tank pretty well together with stances and a shield - they have pretty good armor and all, and r/rts with barrage + various weapon spells can do mass damage, but that isn't really nuking.

Thomas.knbk · Mar 19, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

bow damage sucks balls compared to any other damage source in the game.
rangers have nice armor against elemental damage and some evade stances against melee. They could tank fairly well if they had to. Not nearly as well as a warrior ever could though.

Commander Ryker · Mar 19, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

bow damage sucks balls compared to any other damage source in the game.

No it doesn't. Granted, rangers can't do the damage ele's do, but they certainly can do their share of damage.

As far as a ranger nuking? I'm not sure can be done. Rangers don't have the necessary energy amount needed for nuking. A lot of of ele skills are 15 and 25 energy and rangers just don't have that kind to spare.

Thomas.knbk · Mar 19, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

No it doesn't.

OK, it's better than wands.
Daggers, Swords, Axes, Scythes, Hammers and caster damage dealers all deal more dps than a bow.

ender6 · Mar 19, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

"Echo Mending" was obviously a joke.

With that said Rangers can Tank quite well. As mentioned they have stances and traps that help enable them do this.
They also can utilize greater conflagaration which converts all damage to fire dmg, which can boost Rangers AL to 100.

So:

Greater Conflagaration
Whirling Defense
Throw Dirt
etc....

As for Nuking:

Barage + Splinter = quasi Nuke

Sing Toe · Mar 20, 2007, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Daggers, Swords, Axes, Scythes, Hammers and caster damage dealers all deal more dps than a bow.

Anet specifically writes in the Manuals that Bow damage is the stronger of the weapons. hands down, no mods etc. In fact, If you decide to use DPS, then a short bow and a Recurve bow can still generate higher amounts of damage DPS wise than say a sword. (With attributes or Strength, said weapon class, expertise and marksmanship at Attribute 12)

Its only when you start adding with skills, other attributes, weapon mods etc do the difference arise. But then again, when those differences show, thats when weapons become more specialized.

I dont agree with what you are saying because we have to look at all this mathematically AND Contextually. A Bow can wreak havoc if a ranger is standing on a ledge and the warrior has to run up, and around to get to him.

Specialization is the key word here. At base value, the moment you press space bar, the bow HAS to be the better weapon. And when you start adding skills etc, thats when the argument has to take into consideration CONTEXT, which you have not addressed. A Barrage Pet Ranger versus a pressure tank are so different that you cant just determine that one weapon is better based on ONE singular contextual instance. A War can spike with Evicerate etc. A ranger can spike with a multitude of Rit skills. You cant just say "Its better because of DPS." Then if it is, you have to bring the science into it - the control group is the BASE Value damage. The changes are the skills, location, tactics, strategy, attributes, armour, player type, weapon mods, time and movement.

Sing Toe

Enix · Mar 20, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Ranger nuking wouldnt be nearly as effective as an Ele, even with a Fire/Earth split. Primary attributes (skill effectiveness), runes (skill level), and armor (subsequent energy) are what distinguish the classes. Any build that dosent utilize two of these three things isn't well thought out.

One time a War told me he could B/P. I asked him how many shots he could spam before he was out of energy. He said "Bout 4".

widowdaballa · Mar 20, 2007, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Enix

One time a War told me he could B/P. I asked him how many shots he could spam before he was out of energy. He said "Bout 4".

I ROFL'd!

Rangers own.

Mar 19, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10	#1
ridz16 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Aspenwood Guild: FYI Profession: D/	Ranger as a Nuker and Tanker To my knowledge, an experienced warrior can "tank" well and an experienced ele profession can "nuke" very well. It's a nickname given to them. So.. how can ranger be either one of it? Kind of like a monk can do 55hp and necro can do MM... I mean c'mon anybody can nuke, take ele as second prof and what not, but it is given nickname to someone who's primary prof's is ele and tank who's primary prof is warrior who are best at it. there's this ranger who thinks he can do both I was like, WHAT? lol... and that ranger wasnt joking, cause the ranger was sort of serious.. lol. So I'm asking you guys here at guru, what you guys think. Because I wanna confirm my knowledge, if its right lols... Last edited by ridz16; Mar 19, 2007 at 07:52 AM // 07:52..

Mar 19, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13	#2
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	Rangers can use stances. They can use [skill]Barrage[/skill] for a nice AoE effect. Oh wait..you mean what's his special ability? Traps,interruption, condition spreading...

Mar 19, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21	#3
savage vapor 33 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Regems Basement Guild: The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]	Well rangers aren't the nuking type. Mainly cuz Expertise doesnt affect spells. I guess maybe a ranger could tank into an All ele mob. But thats rarely gonna happen. Yanman.be pretty much states it. Traps, Conditions, and interrupts are best thing for a ranger.

Mar 19, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#5
Wacky Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Trans Tasman Alliance [TTA] Profession: Me/	"echo mending" is an in-joke, that ranger was joking. That being said, r/w can tank pretty well together with stances and a shield - they have pretty good armor and all, and r/rts with barrage + various weapon spells can do mass damage, but that isn't really nuking.

Mar 19, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02	#6
Thomas.knbk Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006	bow damage sucks balls compared to any other damage source in the game. rangers have nice armor against elemental damage and some evade stances against melee. They could tank fairly well if they had to. Not nearly as well as a warrior ever could though.

Mar 19, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04	#9
ender6 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: Mo/	"Echo Mending" was obviously a joke. With that said Rangers can Tank quite well. As mentioned they have stances and traps that help enable them do this. They also can utilize greater conflagaration which converts all damage to fire dmg, which can boost Rangers AL to 100. So: Greater Conflagaration Whirling Defense Throw Dirt etc.... As for Nuking: Barage + Splinter = quasi Nuke

Mar 20, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00	#11
Enix Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I am in a transitional period. Guild: GRE	Ranger nuking wouldnt be nearly as effective as an Ele, even with a Fire/Earth split. Primary attributes (skill effectiveness), runes (skill level), and armor (subsequent energy) are what distinguish the classes. Any build that dosent utilize two of these three things isn't well thought out. One time a War told me he could B/P. I asked him how many shots he could spam before he was out of energy. He said "Bout 4".